For 
                  starters, can you please give me a brief overview of what the 
                  crew is going to do on the mission? What's it all about? And, 
                  explain the goals of the mission.
                As you know, ours is a research science mission. 
                  And, it's dual shift to top that. It's the first flight of the 
                  Research Double Module from Spacehab. We'll be conducting basically 
                  16 days' worth of microgravity research in two shifts a day. 
                  So, that's 16 hours plus of work every day. We have experiments 
                  from lots of different areas. There are experiments from Earth 
                  sciences, physical sciences, and life sciences. And, in all 
                  these three areas, there are a number of very interesting experiments. 
                  For example in Earth sciences, we have a payload from Israel, 
                  which is the MEIDEX (Mediterranean Dust Experiment from Israel) 
                  where we are going to be studying aerosols and dust particles 
                  over Earth. Mostly over the Mediterranean, so that there can 
                  be some validation done of ground-based studies at the same 
                  times. But, if there's a dust storm during our flight, any place 
                  on Earth, then there would be a request made to do MEIDEX experiments 
                  on orbit. And, the purpose is so that we can do climactic studies 
                  better than we can right now. So, in the Earth sciences area, 
                  there's also another experiment called SOLSE. SOLSE is going 
                  to study the ozone distribution in the vertical over the Earth's 
                  atmosphere. As you know, the ozone distribution is very closely 
                  tied to the health of our planet, so it's very crucial to understand 
                  if it changes over time, and how much it changes, and what the 
                  causes are. Along with this, there is another experiment, which 
                  is in our payload bay, which is going to measure the solar constant. 
                  And, again, the idea is to relate that to the study of climate 
                  in Earth. That's probably [the] bulk of the experiments which 
                  are tied to Earth sciences or climactic studies. The second 
                  area, which is very exciting to me personally (because it ties 
                  to some of my background), is physical sciences. In there, we 
                  have studies from a wide area of research in materials. For 
                  example, crystal growth under the umbrella of Zeolite Crystal 
                  Growth Experiment. There's another one called Mechanics of Granular 
                  Materials, where we're trying to study how liquefaction of sands 
                  in coastal areas can have an impact on buildings and structures, 
                  especially during earthquakes. In the same area, we have [a] 
                  combustion module that we are carrying on board. It's a very 
                  large facility. And, in this particular module, we're going 
                  to carry out three different experiments to study flames of 
                  different varieties. And, we can talk about that at length a 
                  bit later. So this is the physical sciences area. And, there's 
                  tons more experiments. Finally, a lot of study's being done 
                  in the third area, the life sciences area. There are experiments 
                  from Johnson Space Center, from the European Space Agency and 
                  literally from tens of thousands of researchers and students 
                  across the world. In this latter category, we have experiments 
                  in protein crystal growth. In protein crystal growth, all these 
                  different researchers, they are trying to aim at growing bigger 
                  protein crystals so that you can characterize what a particular 
                  protein looks like. And, once you know that, you can have better 
                  ways of coming up with countermeasures for the bad proteins 
                  they are tied to, for example, some disease. We have four different 
                  lockers in which we have anywhere from 200 to a thousand experiments 
                  within each locker. And, within each locker, for example, 10 
                  of the experiments might be sponsored by one pharmaceutical 
                  company. Another 10 might be sponsored by another research organization. 
                  And, so on. So, it's really totally incredible the amount of 
                  participation that's there in the protein crystal growth experiments 
                  in the life sciences area. The other experiments are trying 
                  to get a better handle of human physiology in space by studying 
                  either humans (four of our crewmembers are actually going to 
                  be participating in detailed measurements of certain aspects 
                  of human biology) or, in some cases, we are studying some other 
                  life forms to understand [the] effect of microgravity on those 
                  life forms. And, then later try to determine how these are tied 
                  to human physiology. Besides these three very wide areas, there 
                  are a lot of experiments which are in the education area. Students 
                  are flying these experiments. And, finally, I'd just like to 
                  add, there are a few experiments which are tied to Space Station 
                  so that these technologies can be used on Space Station. We 
                  are going to fly them on our flight, and later they can be used 
                  on the Space Station.
                And, there are a multitude 
                  of experiments. And, you've touched on some of them. And most 
                  of these experiments have goals or purposes. But, is there, 
                  in a nutshell, an overall goal of the mission for NASA? Why 
                  is NASA flying the mission? Is there an overall goal?
                The overall objective of flying all of these experiments 
                  is basically to, in some cases, simply to understand. In some 
                  cases, to better understand processes. Be it physical processes; 
                  be it processes in the area of Earth sciences (how climate works). 
                  Be it life sciences, where we are trying to figure out proteins, 
                  for example which are tied to human life so closely - what their 
                  structure is - so we can come up with a better idea of how the 
                  proteins work, period. And then, figure out how they interact. 
                  So, the overall objective, in a nutshell, it would be fair to 
                  say is: to try to understand or better understand physical processes 
                  on Earth, be they in the area of life sciences or materials 
                  or climate. 
                Can 
                  you give some insight into why we need to go to space to conduct 
                  some of the same research that's being conducted on Earth? Basically, 
                  what importance does microgravity have on these experiments, 
                  and what advantages does microgravity offer for them?
                Sure. Really, we go to space for two reasons. 
                  Sometimes we get [a] better advantage because there's [a] microgravity 
                  environment. In that case, we are basically trying to do a few 
                  things. For example there are certain things on Earth which 
                  are very complex, very closely tied processes. For example turbulence 
                  on Earth is very closely tied to soot formation in flames. Since 
                  these two things are so closely tied and they are both very 
                  complex things, it's very hard on Earth to decouple them to 
                  understand why is this thing happening? Is this because of turbulence? 
                  Is this because of soot formation? So, we try to go to space 
                  so we can decouple the effect of gravity out of some of the 
                  equations. So the equation set or the governing principles for 
                  a process can be made simpler. So, we can say: This will process. 
                  In the absence of gravity, this is how it works. And then, we 
                  can try to understand: Okay, if we add gravity to it, that's 
                  when these other things happen. A simple example: there might 
                  be, for example, on Earth when you are mixing two things (like 
                  oil and vinegar) and they separate. So, if you're trying to 
                  make a material out of these two things, you are forever having 
                  to indulge in a very active process of mixing these together. 
                  And, it causes a new physics to happen because you are mixing 
                  these two things. So, there's a swirling motion involved now. 
                  How does that impact the upcoming material? You go to space, 
                  and the two things are just dispersed into each other. And so, 
                  the effect of gravity or the absence of gravity then helps to 
                  make the process simpler and, therefore, helps us understand 
                  the physics better. In the same vein, the second thing is that 
                  crystals, which is a very important field that we have carried 
                  into microgravity, in the absence of gravity, you can grow bigger 
                  crystals. It does not matter what kind of crystals they are; 
                  you can simply grow them bigger. If you can grow them bigger, 
                  it helps you characterize the behavior. Not really the behavior. 
                  The structure of these crystals. In materials, it's very important 
                  to know what the structure of this crystal is so you can figure 
                  out when it mixes with something else what's going to happen. 
                  In life sciences, in protein crystals, if you can understand 
                  what the structure of this crystal is, that leads you to forming 
                  the key on how to make this particular protein mate with another 
                  protein. So those are the areas where you can help remove gravity 
                  and then do better in microgravity. The second reason, which 
                  is really totally different, is that in space, you are going 
                  to go study, for example, the one experiment I mentioned, the 
                  ozone distribution. This is just a better vantage point. You 
                  are above the Earth's atmosphere. You are trying to look at 
                  the limb, and so you can see what's going on in ozone distribution 
                  in the vertical layer of our atmosphere. We are not doing astronomy 
                  experiments. But, you've heard, there are lots of space shuttle 
                  missions dedicated to doing astronomy experiments. And, once 
                  again, you are going to space not necessarily for microgravity 
                  but it gives you a better vantage point, better seeing, for 
                  example.
                Some 
                  people may be expecting the research on this mission to yield 
                  immediate solutions to problems or to theories or whatever. 
                  But that's not necessarily [the] case. Can you explain and describe, 
                  for someone who's not a scientist and not involved in scientific 
                  research, what the place of research is and the scientific problem-solving 
                  process or theory-proving process?
                It's actually quite surprising that generally, 
                  when we are carrying out research, how we do it in a very formed 
                  manner where we know in stage one we are going to study certain 
                  parameters and their effect on certain processes. In doing so, 
                  sometimes we validate our assumptions, and sometimes we learn 
                  new lessons. And, our assumptions, we find out, were not correct. 
                  So, we go on to the next step and so on. In microgravity research, 
                  [a] lot of times in the early Eighties, for example, the assumptions 
                  we had made were not all true. Sometimes we thought simply going 
                  to microgravity would allow us to make better materials because 
                  of the absence of buoyancy-driven connection. But, we found 
                  in space, there is another type of connection, which starts 
                  to play a more dominant role. So, we are learning. It does not 
                  mean that we don't go to the third step, which is, "Okay, 
                  now. We know this is the reason this thing is not working in 
                  space. How do we overcome that?" Then, we try to find out 
                  how to overcome that. And, so the real process happens in stages. 
                  You go through the first stage, and the second stage, and so 
                  on. It's not really true that all of the experiments have this 
                  tough path at this stage in the ballgame of spaceflight research 
                  because as you know, this particular mission is the first commercial 
                  flight of Double Research Module. So, there are a lot of experiments 
                  which are actually sponsored by commercial companies which, 
                  given the benefit of past research, are now looking for quicker 
                  return on what they are doing. Some areas that I could mention 
                  along these lines are, for example, the Zeolite Crystal Growth 
                  payload, where the investigators and the researchers are trying 
                  to come up with materials, these are advanced materials which 
                  can be used to, for example, store hydrogen at room temperature. 
                  Why would you want to do that? So that you can use hydrogen 
                  as a fuel as opposed to using things that we use as fuel today 
                  for street vehicles. It's very hard to store hydrogen at room 
                  temperatures. But, these advanced materials have these capabilities 
                  that hydrogen just stays mated to the material. There are a 
                  number of materials in this category. For example, better dye 
                  retention on pictures - as in photography or newspapers. The 
                  print being held to the paper with the dye better than it does 
                  today, so that it stays there over a longer period of time. 
                  All of these experiments in the zeolite area are actually sponsored 
                  by commercial partners. And, they are actually looking for a 
                  quick return so that, when these materials are made they bring 
                  them back, look at the crystals and then try to figure out which 
                  particular material could have been added in the higher proportion 
                  to get the effect that they were really seeking. Likewise in 
                  the protein crystal area, the pharmaceutical companies that 
                  are participating are looking for quicker returns than the conventional 
                  way we look at science, which is sometimes just thinking it's 
                  for better understanding. So I would say we have experiments 
                  in both varieties at this stage in spaceflight research due 
                  to the past benefits of all the research that has been done. 
                  Be it, for example, the Zeolite crystals or the protein crystals 
                  for pharmaceutical companies.
                You 
                  mentioned the dual work shift. Can you talk a little bit about 
                  what that is? And, why it's necessary on this mission?
                We are a dual-shift mission because the extent 
                  of science, the experiments we are carrying, is just very, very 
                  large. There is simply no way to carry out that kind of science 
                  with just one shift. You might say, if we have seven people 
                  on one shift, they could just divvy up the experiments and, 
                  hence, you should be able to do the same number of things. The 
                  issue is that on our Orbiter, there are lots of attitude requirements. 
                  The Orbiter should be in a certain attitude to do, for example, 
                  the ozone measurements. In a different attitude to do, for example, 
                  the dust measurements. In a free-drift attitude, meaning that 
                  no jets should be firing and it's just drifting (hence the word 
                  free drift) to do some of our very microgravity-sensitive experiments. 
                  For example, one of the combustion module experiments needs 
                  a very quiescent environment. So, because of these very extensive 
                  requirements on what sort of attitude the Orbiter should be 
                  in, and what kind of microgravity environment is required, you 
                  sort of need to take advantage of the whole day. And it really 
                  helps to use the crew much more efficiently by doing that.
                The 
                  research on this mission spans a wide range of origins. It originates 
                  from various parts of the world. Some of those places the crew 
                  has visited to familiarize yourselves with the experiments. 
                  Can you give us some insight into your thoughts about what it's 
                  like to be on a mission like this, that's not only fostering 
                  a continued awareness of other parts of the world, but helping 
                  those parts of the world maybe solve some of the problems that 
                  they may be encountering and the benefits they maybe could reap 
                  from this mission?
                Yeah, it's indeed true that on our mission there 
                  are experiments from all over. It really surprises me even now 
                  that when we look at for a particular experiment or payload 
                  on our flight, how many different researchers are participating 
                  to get things done. I think it's the nature of world economics 
                  at present where there are extensive collaborations amongst 
                  partner countries to come up with better technologies. And they 
                  do share these technologies with each other. For example in 
                  the protein crystal growth experiment the number of researchers 
                  is literally in thousands. And, they are collaborating with 
                  each other, with their ideas on how better to do these experiments. 
                  And the benefits in an area like this are really to all of the 
                  humanity. Because if you find out something better in that area, 
                  that's obviously going to benefit us all. Another area which 
                  really stands out, we have some experiments which sit in the 
                  payload bay which are looking at technologies for heat rejection 
                  for spacecraft. You know we fly satellites in space vehicles, 
                  and they produce heat. And, one of the big technical impediments 
                  out there is how to reject heat and stay healthy in space. So 
                  there are three different ideas on technologies on how best 
                  to reject heat from three different countries in Europe. The 
                  really good thing is: when the results come back, you can really 
                  say how these technologies work, which one is better for certain 
                  areas or certain environments in space. For example, you are 
                  always looking at the Sun versus always looking at Earth. But 
                  in the end, the benefits are really had by all.
                And 
                  personally, how does it make you feel to have a part in something 
                  that is, in a way, advancing or bringing the global community 
                  even closer? I mean, it was this far away--
                Right.
                --but now it's still 
                  coming closer together. Personally, how do you feel about that?
                It is very gratifying and humbling. And, it really 
                  is incredible to see that there are all these countries that 
                  are participating in this research. And, basically, they have 
                  one goal, which is to better understand these processes and 
                  then be able to use the benefits that come out of them. What's 
                  really interesting in a scientific community is when you go 
                  to one place and you know about some of the rifts some of these 
                  people might be having. But in this room, these six scientists 
                  from six different countries are together. And, they are trying 
                  to do something which is totally mind-boggling. And, to sit 
                  with them and talk to them and understand, you know, their fears 
                  and concerns on if their assumptions are wrong; but if everything 
                  that they've done is right and some big benefit can come out 
                  of it, it's just tremendously gratifying to have been there 
                  and be a part of that process and to help them carry out their 
                  experiments in space.
                There's obviously no rendezvous and no docking 
                  in this mission or undocking. But you still have to get to space 
                  and then return to Earth. And, there are processes for doing 
                  that. Can you explain what's going to go on on the way up? What 
                  are the duties? What will you be doing? What's the process? 
                  And, also, for the return trip to Earth. If you can just kind 
                  of nutshell those two processes.
                I am very excited to serve as the Flight Engineer 
                  on the flight. On ascent the flight deck crew is basically monitoring 
                  the systems. Flight Engineer's job is to make sure all systems 
                  are working nominally by glancing at the different meters and 
                  displays in an organized fashion and to diagnose malfunctions, 
                  if any, respond to those malfunctions, and help the Commander 
                  and Pilot execute their procedures if there is a malfunction. 
                  And then, to sort of have a big picture: If there's a malfunction, 
                  how does it impact us? A minute from now? Five minutes from 
                  now? And, so on. Before we have main engine cutoff versus after 
                  we have main engine cutoff. So for ascent and entry, basically 
                  that's the role I serve in. On orbit as Flight Engineer we get 
                  daily uplinks, in case of systems not working nominally if we 
                  have to deorbit then what particular information bits and pieces 
                  we can use to determine at what time we should do the deorbit 
                  burn, which landing sites are available to us, etc. We get this 
                  information every day. So, we process it on board so we know, 
                  at all times, that these are the paths we have open to us. As 
                  a crew, we spend a fair amount of time in our ascent and entry 
                  simulators training for these sort of tasks. Besides the Flight 
                  Engineer duties as you know, this mission is dedicated to research 
                  science. And, all of us - all seven of us - basically are very 
                  busy and timelined to the full extent to carry out research 
                  every day. So basically during our wake-up hours, we are busy 
                  doing the experiments that we are timelined to do. So day after 
                  day, different experiments; that's what we do.
                And 
                  that starts shortly after you guys reach orbit. Can you tell 
                  us what the process of activating experiments, when that starts? 
                  Activating the modules, when that starts? And explain what you 
                  and your crewmates will be doing at that point in the flight.
                The main engines shut off just 8½ minutes 
                  after launch. And after that, basically the whole crew is working 
                  to get the Orbiter ready for orbit. The flight deck crew is 
                  busy working to target the OMS burn we do to get to orbit. And 
                  the middeck crew is busy trying to get switches and systems 
                  in [the] right order so that in that upcoming phase of flight, 
                  everything is [as] it's supposed to be. About two hours into 
                  our mission, Laurel Clark and Ilan Ramon, my crewmates, are 
                  ready to open the hatch to Spacehab and start activating the 
                  Spacehab systems. Both of those crewmembers - Ilan and Laurel 
                  - are from the Red Shift. Red shift is the same shift I am on 
                  and Commander Rick Husband is on. Four of us will work the longer 
                  day when we get on orbit. We are the wake-up crew, you might 
                  say. The other shift, the Blue Shift - which is our Pilot Willie 
                  McCool, David Brown, Mission Specialist, and Mike Anderson, 
                  who's our Payload Commander - three of them basically, after 
                  helping out with trying to get the Orbiter in [the] right configuration 
                  for the early period of the mission, we have to make sure they 
                  can go to sleep so that when we go to sleep, it's time for them 
                  to wake up. We basically share the same sleep stations, so we 
                  have to get them up so we can go to sleep. And then they can 
                  take the helm of the ship and start working the science experiments, 
                  etc. So after two hours, we basically start to think that four 
                  of us, on the Red Shift, really need to get Spacehab and the 
                  Orbiter working for rest of the mission. Willie McCool from 
                  the Blue Shift would help set up our laptop network in that 
                  early period. Dave Brown would help activate the FREESTAR experiment, 
                  which is back in the payload bay. Ilan and Laurel, as I mentioned, 
                  activate Spacehab. I work with the Commander for the first half-hour 
                  or so of that later period to get our computers (the Orbiter 
                  computers) in the right configuration for on-orbit operations. 
                  And then shortly thereafter I work with Laurel and Ilan. And, 
                  my job is to activate a number of experiments, which are in 
                  the Research Double Module. Shortly thereafter, three of us 
                  (Ilan, myself, and Laurel), we are working on different parts 
                  of Spacehab, setting up equipment for experiments that we're 
                  going to be doing. I'm doing the video setup with a number of 
                  boxes, so we can give video downlink to ground for the experiments 
                  that do need to send video downlink. We start to deploy equipment 
                  in Spacehab. Our computers, cameras, equipment that we need 
                  for housekeeping, our Flight Data File (the procedure books 
                  that we need to use to carry out any of the procedures). So, 
                  the first day is very busy, basically, in getting experiments 
                  started which are mostly passive. Where we just have to turn 
                  them on, or some experiments where we need to do a setup so 
                  we can perform them in the upcoming hours. And then, all of 
                  the housekeeping tasks- be it deploying the laptops, the network 
                  of laptops, the video equipment, and so on.
                Talk 
                  a little bit about some of the operation and the purpose of 
                  some of the specific experiments that you're going to be working 
                  with. We touched a little bit on MEIDEX before (the Mediterranean 
                  Israeli Test Experiment). Can you give us a little bit of insight 
                  into the operation of the process? How it operates and a little 
                  bit more about what it's for and what it does.
                The MEIDEX experiment is sponsored by Israel, 
                  as you know, is basically looking at aerosols and dust particles 
                  in Earth's atmosphere. It does that by using special cameras, 
                  which are mounted in the payload bay. For part of the mission, 
                  our goal is to look at these aerosols and dust particles in 
                  conjunction with ground. So, people on ground can also look 
                  at [the] same dust particles and aerosols so we can validate 
                  the information from space with information from ground. We 
                  would also be looking at dust particles and aerosols during 
                  [the] rest of our mission when ground cannot necessarily look 
                  at these particles. And at that time, we can use the knowledge 
                  that we would have gained by having done the validation for 
                  simultaneous studies. The main purpose for studying aerosols 
                  and dust particles is because they play a big role in how climate 
                  works. And climate is a very global topic. It's not: if climate 
                  in U.S. is bad, it doesn't really matter because it just affects 
                  us and nobody else. Bad climate or bad emissions of particles 
                  anywhere on Earth would ultimately impact us all. And in fact 
                  the impact happens in a very short duration of time. It's not 
                  something we can ignore by saying, "Oh, this is a problem 
                  that's not worthy of our immediate attention." Within the 
                  MEIDEX experiment, perhaps one of the intriguing and very captivating 
                  studies is study of sprites. Which is, when there are lightning 
                  storms we've observed with certain aircraft that there's upward 
                  emitting lightning. Long time ago, if people were flying an 
                  aircraft and they observed this, nobody would want to believe. 
                  It's, you know, you are [imagining] these things. But, over 
                  time, people have come to understand that this is real. Though 
                  we don't really understand how it works, the physics behind 
                  it. This particular experiment, study of sprites, when there 
                  are lightning storms, has captivated the imagination of tens 
                  of researchers on ground. So, even though it's a secondary experiment 
                  on MEIDEX a lot of researchers on ground have found out about 
                  it and now they are participating with ground studies simultaneous 
                  with the space shuttle studies. Again to correlate data. So, 
                  if you see it from above, what information [do] you get? And, 
                  the same information and looked from below means what? For better 
                  understanding of how it might work. Tied with sprites [are] 
                  blue jets, a similar phenomenon related to lightning. So, there 
                  are all these very neat, interesting concepts in climate which 
                  are secondary objectives which a lot of researchers are now 
                  participating in. Our on-orbit operations basically mean that 
                  we give commands to the cameras, which are in the payload bay. 
                  Using computers, we type out the commands and direct these cameras 
                  to look in the right region. The space shuttle, by that time, 
                  is already in [the] correct attitude. It's looking at Earth 
                  at places where it ought to be looking at for studying dust 
                  particles, aerosols, or sprites, which would mean a slightly 
                  different attitude. And we would collect video data from the 
                  cameras and send it to ground for analysis, real time. Which 
                  is delayed by about a day. And, also later after the mission. 
                  In the MEIDEX experiment, there are ground studies planned where 
                  the Tel Aviv University in conjunction with a number of other 
                  research organizations is planning to fly small aircraft, which 
                  are fully instrumented; and they will fly these pre-designed 
                  trajectories through the region where there is dust and aerosols. 
                  For example, going in one direction and then the other direction 
                  for specified durations of time with the specified increments 
                  in altitude so that they have a very good idea of how these 
                  things are distributed. Of course, something like that on Earth, 
                  they are unable to do everywhere on Earth. So, the region where 
                  this is to be done is very limited. The space shuttle-based 
                  studies will definitely include the regions where ground studies 
                  are being done so we can have a good correlation. But, the space 
                  shuttle will also study other regions on Earth where there is 
                  dust. For example, if there's a big dust storm during our mission, 
                  then more than likely we would be asked to do MEIDEX studies 
                  for that. It's quite probable that the dust storm is over a 
                  region where the aircraft studies cannot be done, because it's 
                  very remote. For that particular case, the idea is to use the 
                  knowledge gained from the region where we have the ability to 
                  validate space-based study with Earth-based aircraft study. 
                  So, both of these aspects are going to be carried out.
                Another 
                  experiment is the CM-2, the Combustion Module-2. Can you explain 
                  just what it is? Not so much about the experiments just yet. 
                  What is the CM-2?
                CM-2 is Combustion Module. It's basically two 
                  very big facilities. You might say they are [the] size of a 
                  very large family-size refrigerator. And we are going to carry 
                  three different experiments. They are all flames-related experiments. 
                  One of these is to understand how soot forms. Soot is a bad 
                  thing on Earth. A lot of people die from soot inhalation. The 
                  second one is to understand the leanest mixture settings at 
                  which we can burn a fuel, and this is to understand fuel efficiency 
                  better. And, [the] third one is how to extinguish fires using 
                  nontoxic materials. Because right now, most of our fire suppression 
                  technologies use materials which are not very good for us. So, 
                  we get rid of the fire, then we are unable to enter the same 
                  area for a while. So, this third experiment actually uses water 
                  droplets to extinguish fires. And, it could have potential uses 
                  later on - on Earth, of course, and also in space; for example, 
                  the space station to take care of any problems that might arise.
                Let's talk a little bit 
                  about the operation of those experiments. Earlier you were talking 
                  about the mist experiment. How does that operate? What will 
                  the crew be doing during that experiment?
                All three combustion module experiments are very 
                  hands-on and obviously a lot of fun for [the] operator to work 
                  with. Let's use, for example, the MIST experiment. What we do 
                  in this telephone booth-size or family refrigerator-size module 
                  that we have: we can insert the experiment, which is sort of 
                  like the size of a big microwave oven, inside this module. The 
                  experiment itself has hardware where there is a little camera 
                  to monitor what's going on; a little capacitor, which is charged 
                  with water so it can spray water droplets; it can inject them 
                  at different sizes; we can control, to a degree, the speed at 
                  which the droplets are injected. So, the experiment itself is 
                  a self-contained unit. We take it out from the storage location, 
                  insert it inside the big module. There are some large cables 
                  that we hook up. A big cable to supply power to the experiment, 
                  a cable for data so that data that is being collected can be 
                  brought out via a laptop and then sent to ground for real-time 
                  analysis (in this case), and also video information is coming 
                  out from the experiment which is again rerouted to us and to 
                  ground for real-time recording and real-time downlink. We do 
                  the experiment setup a few times. We insert it in the module. 
                  We might have to do it again to, for example, change the little 
                  unit which controls the size of droplets. But once it's inside, 
                  we can carry on, for example, 12 different studies where we 
                  are looking at the effect of different parameters on the flame. 
                  So, part of the experiment will help generate a flame. We have 
                  a little laptop, using which we control when things happen. 
                  The flame gets generated, and then the water particles or the 
                  water mist gets injected onto the flame. All of this is captured 
                  on video and data, which is recorded and seen real time and 
                  downlinked real time. After the experiment is done, a little 
                  later we'll start with the second parametric study where we 
                  are varying something else and carry on the same test run yet 
                  again. So, to give you a certain idea: In MIST, for example, 
                  we do 36 different parametric studies, which basically are done 
                  one after another. Some of these are, actually a large number 
                  of these are, commanded by ground. After we get the setup done 
                  [the] first time and make sure that the first study is correct 
                  and things are now going smoothly, then ground can take over 
                  and do rest of the studies.
                And, 
                  another experiment to be conducted within that module is SOFBALL 
                  or Structures of Flame Balls at Low Lewis Numbers. Can you tell 
                  us a little bit about the operation of that?
                SOFBALL is actually a very exciting study. And, 
                  it perhaps is one which has its basis more in theory than the 
                  other experiments. So, those people who are into theoretical 
                  chemistry would love the genesis of this particular experiment. 
                  Long time ago, there's this Russian scientist, Zeldovich and 
                  he figured out, just by looking at the equations, [that] if 
                  you did not have gravity, then you should be able to get flame 
                  balls rather than regular flames. And, this would happen if 
                  you are burning a mixture at its leanest setting. Meaning the 
                  fuel composition is very, very low. When we say a mixture is 
                  rich, we mean there's lot of fuel. Leaner setting meaning: the 
                  smallest amount of fuel that will support combustion. So, he 
                  predicted that, and that was the end of story. It's just written 
                  in books. And then, lo and behold, there's this professor at 
                  University of California, Dr. Ronney, and he has been involved 
                  with combustion studies for a while and does drop tower tests. 
                  Where you come up with little combustion experiments which are 
                  dropped in these big towers that you might have heard of and 
                  then you get less than a second worth of science study out of 
                  these. And, it's all videotaped. And, you break it, frame by 
                  frame, and see what happened. And in one of these studies, he 
                  discovered there were flame balls. And, he was just totally 
                  amazed that much has happened in other areas where Einstein, 
                  for example, predicted bending of light and much, much later 
                  it was validated. Similarly this was predicted lots of years 
                  before [it was] seen by Ronney, and then he came up with the 
                  idea of validating it in space. With the potential benefit, 
                  again, you should always be tied to something in real life, 
                  that if we can understand that flame balls really work, then 
                  this can help us better understand combustion modeling. Combustion 
                  modeling is one of the toughest fields out there where we are 
                  still trying to figure out, based on just theory and equations, 
                  that: If I solve this problem on computer, can I get the real 
                  result? And, of course, any time we can do that, we save a lot 
                  of resources, as has been shown, for example, in the area of 
                  aircraft design. You know, commercial companies routinely now 
                  use aerodynamics modeling to come up with aircraft design. In 
                  the case of combustion modeling, we have been really lacking 
                  because it's a very complex field, and we are unable to tie 
                  all the things together. So, if we can understand this yet one 
                  simple component of this whole equation and see how it works, 
                  it helps us get one step further. So, as I mentioned, this experiment 
                  has flown once before. A lot of very interesting parametric 
                  studies are planned for our flight because Professor Ronney's 
                  better able to predict that these flame balls should be able 
                  to last for a matter of hours. And, the Orbiter will be in free 
                  drift during those times to minimize any disturbances from jet 
                  firings, for example. And then, collect video data, temperature 
                  data, and tie it to the modeling equations. I think this should 
                  prove to be very interesting.
                The 
                  third experiment within that module that you've touched on already: 
                  LSP Laminar Soot Process. Can you briefly explain the operation 
                  of that experiment?
                Laminar Soot experiment, much like the MIST and 
                  SOFBALL experiment, has its own experiment module that, as far 
                  as we are concerned, will integrate it- the microwave oven-size 
                  module- inside the bigger refrigerator-size module, connect 
                  the cables so that commands can flow in, data can come out, 
                  power can go in, etc. Once we've done that, the experiment is 
                  basically looking at flames and looking at the limit of flame 
                  where soot is formed. Soot is collected in these collection 
                  banks, they call, and temperature data is collected real time. 
                  All of this is to be looked at later on based on the assumptions 
                  the scientists have. By having these 12 parameters, we'll be 
                  able to tell how this thing works. Why are we studying soot 
                  in space? Or what's the benefit? Or, why is there a need to 
                  do this in space? It's because, on Earth, soot is generally 
                  produced by turbulent flames. Turbulence and soot, which is 
                  combustion chemistry, are two of the most complicated fields. 
                  It's almost impossible to solve the equations or model them 
                  so that you have both of these players in. It would be really 
                  very nice if one of these can be chucked out. Well, if you throw 
                  away soot, then you cannot study soot. If you throw away turbulence, 
                  then how do you study soot? Because turbulence is the process 
                  behind it. We do know, though, that laminar diffusion flames, 
                  which are very similar to turbulent flames (they mimic all of 
                  their characteristics), also cause soot. But, where do we generate 
                  laminar diffusion place, flames? Only place to do that is in 
                  microgravity. Hence, going to space. So, you go to space, use 
                  microgravity to dissociate turbulence from the equation so that 
                  you just have laminar diffusion flames, which mimic everything 
                  that the turbulent flame was doing yet does not have the complicated 
                  math behind it, yet generates soot. So, that's the reason of 
                  going to space with this experiment. So, like I said before, 
                  the potential is twofold. One, of course, soot is bad. It would 
                  really help to figure out what generates it and how to eliminate. 
                  And second, besides that, any time we can model the governing 
                  processes better than we can do today, we are better off. Because 
                  now we know how this works. And, we can know the answer in advance 
                  rather than doing the experiment and then figuring out, "Oh, 
                  this is what happened."
                You've 
                  touched on the MGM experiment before, the Mechanics of Granular 
                  Materials. Can you briefly explain how that experiment will 
                  be operated? What's the operation procedure?
                The Mechanics of Granular experiment is housed 
                  in the Spacehab Double Research module. It sits kind of at the 
                  aft wall, has one big double locker - a locker is size of a 
                  microwave, you might say - has big double locker associated 
                  with it. What we have there is a test cell. The test cell is 
                  about 18 inches long. It's triangular in its cross-section. 
                  You can see through it. And, inside it, it has sand. When the 
                  test cell is placed where it's supposed to be located inside 
                  the double locker, there are three cameras, which can look at 
                  this test cell from every direction. So, that allows you to 
                  see what's happening to the sand inside the test cell. In addition, 
                  the sand in the test cell is being pressurized by water. So, 
                  there's an accumulator. It's filled with water. There's hardware 
                  out there to supply water pressure onto the sand. So, what are 
                  we trying to do with it? The objective is to understand the 
                  process behind liquefaction of sand in coastal areas during, 
                  for example, earthquake. We want to study this because we still 
                  do not understand what happens during earthquakes when there 
                  are big buildings, which are sitting close to sandy areas. And, 
                  we used to think that when well-packed, these materials, like 
                  sand, should hold their structure and should be able to support 
                  buildings and other structures (human-made structures). But, 
                  that's not the case, as we've learned over time. And, it happens 
                  because sand liquefies with water in there. And it starts to 
                  flow much like a fluid, much like as if you did not even have 
                  a structure there to support this building or bridge that you 
                  had put up. So, the objective is to understand how does this 
                  liquefaction happen? What sort of water pressures are you dealing 
                  with when liquefaction becomes an issue? So you can know what 
                  is a good basis to go with, and where is the threshold after 
                  which it's a bad idea? And, further, if you were going to do 
                  reinforcements how should the sandy areas then be contained 
                  by these reinforcements?
                BDS-05: Bioreactor Demonstration 
                  System. What is it? How does it work? And, what's the process?
                The bioreactor experiment that we are working 
                  on is again housed in the Spacehab module. It's at the aft wall. 
                  It has two active lockers associated with it. And, [each] locker, 
                  as I mentioned, is size of a small microwave oven, if you will. 
                  What we are doing in there is basically growing cell tissue. 
                  On this particular flight, we are growing cell tissue to better 
                  understand prostate cancer. The cell tissue is inside a circular 
                  chamber. There is media, which is being used to help feed this 
                  cell tissue, so this tissue can grow bigger. And as a result, 
                  we have supply of media, nutrients, which the cell tissue can 
                  consume. So on orbit, we are doing operations where we are making 
                  sure that new media bags (bags filled with nutrient) are being 
                  fed to the cell tissue so it can grow. In addition, we are looking 
                  at the chamber on a regular basis to make sure everything is 
                  fine. The cells are growing bigger. The pH level, a litmus test 
                  basically; the level of how acid the medium is - is correct, 
                  is not too high, not too low. We do these checks on a daily 
                  basis. In addition we take out some of the cell sample and some 
                  of the media, using injections; and we analyze that, using chemical 
                  cartridges, to see what the constituents of interest are and 
                  their proportions are correct and are as expected. And if not, 
                  then we'll have to do some changes that we are trained to do. 
                  So, it's lots of care and feeding, basically, every day.
                Can 
                  you talk a little bit about the interest you had growing up 
                  and maybe some of the things that may have put you on the road 
                  to NASA? How did you get here? What was it about science that 
                  intrigued you? That helped you?
                When I was going to high school back in India, 
                  growing up, I think I was very lucky that we lived in a town 
                  which is a very small town and one of a handful of towns at 
                  that time which had flying clubs. And, we would see these small 
                  Pushpak airplanes, which are not much different from Piper J3 
                  Cubs that you see in the U.S. that students were flying as part 
                  of their training programs. Me and my brother, sometimes we 
                  would be on bikes looking up, which you shouldn't be doing, 
                  trying to see where these airplanes were headed. Every once 
                  in a while, we'd ask my dad if we could get a ride in one of 
                  these planes. And, he did take us to the flying club and get 
                  us a ride in the Pushpak and a glider that the flying club had. 
                  I think that's really my closest link to aerospace engineering 
                  that I can dig deep down and find out, out there. Also growing 
                  up, we knew of this person, J. R. D. Tata in India, who had 
                  done some of the first mail flights in India. And also the airplane 
                  that he flew for the mail flights now hangs in one of the aerodromes 
                  out there that I had had a chance to see. Seeing this airplane 
                  and just knowing what this person had done during those years 
                  was very intriguing. Definitely captivated my imagination. And, 
                  even when I was in high school if people asked me what I wanted 
                  to do, I knew I wanted to be an aerospace engineer. In hindsight, 
                  it's quite interesting to me that just some of those very simple 
                  things helped me make up my mind that that's the area I wanted 
                  to pursue. During our school year in India, we have to figure 
                  out kind of early what particular subjects you want to pursue. 
                  Basically when you are in eighth grade, around 12 years of age, 
                  you have to pick up a track - whether you're going science (as 
                  in engineering) or science (as in medical). And, that probably 
                  is the earliest decision point when I said, "Since I'm 
                  going to do aerospace engineering, I'm going to study physics, 
                  chemistry, and math." And from then on, pretty much you 
                  are on a set track. And hoping, if, you know, this is what you 
                  want to do, and if it doesn't come out true that there are some 
                  other options that you have (which I did). And after pre-engineering, 
                  which is equivalent of 12th grade in US - by which time now 
                  you've been specializing in basically physics, chemistry, and 
                  math and some language - you are ready to go to an engineering 
                  college or another profession of your choice by taking part 
                  in exams or simply answering questionnaires and based on merit 
                  of your results. I was lucky to get into aerospace engineering 
                  at Punjab Engineering College. And really in my case the goal 
                  was, at that stage anyway, to be an aerospace engineer. The 
                  astronaut business is really, really farfetched for me to say, 
                  "Oh, at that time I even had an inkling of it." Aircraft 
                  design was really the thing I wanted to pursue. If people asked 
                  me what I wanted to do, I remember in the first year I would 
                  say, "I want to be a flight engineer." But, I am quite 
                  sure at that time, I didn't really have a good idea of what 
                  a flight engineer did. Because flight engineers do not do aircraft 
                  design, which was an area I wanted to pursue and did pursue 
                  in my career. And, it's sort of a nice coincident that that's 
                  what I am doing on this flight.
                And 
                  can you tell us about some of the people in your life that inspired 
                  you, or maybe still inspire you, to do what you're doing now?
                I think inspiration and tied with it is motivation. 
                  For me, definitely, it comes every day from people in all walks 
                  of life. It's easy for me to be motivated and inspired by seeing 
                  somebody who just goes all out to do something. For example, 
                  some of the teachers in high school. The amount of effort they 
                  put in to carry out their courses. The extra time they took 
                  to do experiments with us. And then, just the compliments they 
                  gave students for coming up with ideas - new ideas - [that], 
                  in hindsight, I wonder how they even had the patience to look 
                  at these. In general during my life, I would say I've been inspired 
                  by explorers. Different times during my life I've read books. 
                  More recently, say about Shackleton, the four or five books 
                  written by people in more recent times, and then during the 
                  expedition. And then some of the incredible feats these people 
                  carried out; like making [it] to the Pole almost, but making 
                  the wise decision to stop a hundred miles short and return. 
                  Lewis and Clark's incredible journey across America to find 
                  a route to water, if one existed. And, the perseverance and 
                  incredible courage with which they carried it out. Patty Wagstaff. 
                  You know, she started out kind of late flying aerobatic airplanes. 
                  And then had the where-with-all to say that she was going to 
                  take part in the championships. And then, became an unlimited 
                  U.S. champion three times in a row. And, that's not men's or 
                  women's; that's The Champion. There are so many people out there 
                  that just how they have done some incredible things. And how 
                  they inspire. You know, in explorers, Peter Matthiessen and 
                  how he has explored the whole world and chronicled life, animals 
                  and birds as they exist. And, he's done it by simply walking 
                  on his feet. You know, across [the] Himalayas. Across Africa. 
                  When I read about these people, I think the one thing that just 
                  stands out is their perseverance in how they carried out what 
                  they wished to carry out.
                 
                